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Post by Andrew on Oct 14, 2009 1:34:10 GMT -5
get em broph
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Post by spiritofexodus on Oct 14, 2009 1:46:40 GMT -5
My point is you didn't out strategize shit...you didn't change your DC for 30+ days before the playoffs....then got through the first round without changing anything both times...Your ass just got lucky in the first round...maybe your changes got you through later rounds.....maybe...but you lucked your way into the playoffs both times.....and if you make the best DC's in the business you would have ended up better than 43-39 and 42-40, cause you never changed your DC. When do you ever read a sports report that says "_____ squeak into the playoffs because they are lucky." "The _____ won the championship because they are lucky." Quite frankly it is because it doesn't matter. At the end of the day is if you got the job done or if you didn't. In the historical reference page there isn't a column for "Wins" and then "Wins based on luck." You can say that it is "luck", I can say that I out strategized the opponents. Who's right? Who gives a fuck. When push comes to shove I have accomplished more in a shorter time period then you have. I wouldn't of had a big of a problem with what you were saying until you started blaming me and Michael fucking Jordan of all people for your failures. Take off your pouting cap and go do something about it.
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Post by Tigertecz on Oct 14, 2009 1:52:29 GMT -5
Woo, PM sent.
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Post by Brophdog88 on Oct 14, 2009 1:58:19 GMT -5
My point is you didn't out strategize shit...you didn't change your DC for 30+ days before the playoffs....then got through the first round without changing anything both times...Your ass just got lucky in the first round...maybe your changes got you through later rounds.....maybe...but you lucked your way into the playoffs both times.....and if you make the best DC's in the business you would have ended up better than 43-39 and 42-40, cause you never changed your DC. When do you ever read a sports report that says "_____ squeak into the playoffs because they are lucky." "The _____ won the championship because they are lucky." Quite frankly it is because it doesn't matter. At the end of the day is if you got the job done or if you didn't. In the historical reference page there isn't a column for "Wins" and then "Wins based on luck." You can say that it is "luck", I can say that I out strategized the opponents. Who's right? Who gives a fuck. When push comes to shove I have accomplished more in a shorter time period then you have. I wouldn't of had a big of a problem with what you were saying until you started blaming me and Michael fucking Jordan of all people for your failures. Take off your pouting cap and go do something about it. I've done plenty about it, I was 55-27 last year...now, of course my best player had to get injured for basically the entire season in my first sim, however...You pretended like this team was shit, and I was just stating, that the team winning had little to do with the GM......your team wasn't great, you didn't do shit, It was a hell of a lot easier to do well back then, cause once you made the playoffs, everything was relatively even. Everybody had the same number of picks in the creation draft, nobody was leaving after their contracts expired, nothing. All you had to do was get a good team in the creation draft.. and you had a shot in the playoffs. Now though, you make it out of round one and there is a brick wall standing between round two and round three. Pacers were and especially the Bulls are amazing. Last year, I got upset, it happens (you should know).., but my team had no players older than 27 and I won 55 games. Its taken me this long to my shit together. This was the first league I had been in that lasted more than one season, so getting a bust with my first draft pick definitely didn't help matters, cause I held onto him thinking this is the year he blows up, or the next or the next, and by the time I realized it was over...it was too late.
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Post by spiritofexodus on Oct 14, 2009 3:03:36 GMT -5
I really don't know what to say here because I don't understand what are you trying to argue.
If you think I am going after you're GMing abilities then no because I haven't been in a league with you so I can't accurately judge that.
If you think I am going after how you are running this team to an extent yeah your right because you haven't really done a good job, sorry. I am not here all the time so I am just going on what I see on paper.
The creation draft isn't as easy as you think, give it some credit. While I do agree with you it is potentially easier to make a better team, not to the extent that you think though. One advantage you have is that you know, or have a general idea how players will play where as after a FD you have no idea. Some players might be overrated, underrated, etc. Where in a maximum rebuild you can judge value more accurately. Bobby Simmons didn't score like a B+ C+ scorer. Blair Rasmussen was sure better then a B- scoring big. It works two ways. People who draft a great team in a creation draft don't always get a good team and it takes some kind of skill in order to make your team from good to elite in pre draft trades. Also takes a good GM to understand what type of depth he wants and what he wants to focus on. And I did that to an extend in the FD.
All of my players were injured during both my seasons quite frequently and I think I had Barkley out for a good chunk of the playoffs when I won the championship. Not sure though. You like to use the injury line so I will use it.
This is all somewhat irrelevant to the main statement I made. I have had more success then you have in this league. So you went 55-27 last year, you have nothing to show for it. 55-27 isn't even an elite record BTW so I don't know why you use it as ammo. You're biggest argument is that league parity has a bigger differential then in the beginning and 55-27 winning the Atlantic doesn't show that unless the Atlantic just blows which doesn't help your case either. In the end I would rather have a championship ring and a 43-39 record then a 55-27 record with nothing to show for it.
I will and continue to argue that I have accomplished more in this league then you have. I never said my teams were great. I have only said I did shit when I needed too. The bottom line is when push comes to shove you can have the excuses you want, but 9 playoff wins in 9 years is a TERRIBLE statistic....you can't argue superiority with your team to nearly EVERYBODY, this argument was meant to be you vs me and HOW THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB THEN ME if that is what you're arguing because I have no idea what is being argued.
You cannot prove that you have done better then me by attacking the manner of how I won because it doesn't put into the perspective the job you have done.
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Post by Brophdog88 on Oct 14, 2009 4:31:11 GMT -5
I really don't know what to say here because I don't understand what are you trying to argue. If you think I am going after you're GMing abilities then no because I haven't been in a league with you so I can't accurately judge that. And get the fuck out of here with I left you nothing. If you couldn't get your picks back with Charles Barkley, Mitch Ritchmond and fairly underrated Blair Rassmussen and Lionel Simmons then you are a joke of a GM. You blame me for "having nothing to work it", you say I am "all luck" and funniest of all you blame "Michael Jordan." When the hell are you going to blame yourself for doing a shitty fucking job. Sounds like you are attacking my GMing abilities to me, you claim you left me plenty, except...you didn't leave me with anything but Charles Barkley and Mitch Richmond, Lionel and Blair were both FA's, and other teams overpaid for them...I think the Grizz offered a max to Lionel, or close to it.....and I got two lotto picks, #7 in the Shaq draft and Nick van Exel, and Hu Weidong out of Barkley and Mitch. 66 Hu Weidong SG 32 6'6'' 198 B A- C+ A- D- D Thing is, I could only have gotten one of my picks back with what I had...considering my picks were in two different locations. If you think I am going after how you are running this team to an extent yeah your right because you haven't really done a good job, sorry. I am not here all the time so I am just going on what I see on paper. I am pretty sure that this falls under the last part...you left this team in shitty condition, and because of that I said, I was going to build a team that could make the playoffs...not a title contender, cause I was missing picks/players to get there. So I got to the playoffs in my 3rd year, but of course got greedy thinking I could win a title, and traded away a pick that bit me in the ass, so of course following year four I blew the team up got the third overall pick, took Chauncey Billups. Then tanked the next year, got the number 6 pick overall, but didn't need a pg...so I traded it, then the next year, I went 42-40 missing the playoffs by one game...although that record got you into the playoffs.....The next year, I won 49, and the division, won the first round series with Toronto but ran into the Pacers in the second round and out, last year, I, along with 3 of the four upper seeds (the one seed won in 7 games, then won the championship), got taken out in the first round by....Michael Jordan and the Celtics. It is funny that I have been to the playoffs three times and have faced Jordan in the first round each time no? He has carried whatever team he's on to the playoffs every year. The creation draft isn't as easy as you think, give it some credit. While I do agree with you it is potentially easier to make a better team, not to the extent that you think though. One advantage you have is that you know, or have a general idea how players will play where as after a FD you have no idea. Some players might be overrated, underrated, etc. Where in a maximum rebuild you can judge value more accurately. Bobby Simmons didn't score like a B+ C+ scorer. Blair Rasmussen was sure better then a B- scoring big. It works two ways. People who draft a great team in a creation draft don't always get a good team and it takes some kind of skill in order to make your team from good to elite in pre draft trades. Also takes a good GM to understand what type of depth he wants and what he wants to focus on. And I did that to an extend in the FD. I stated that it is easier to win out of a creation draft, not that a creation draft is easy, because all the teams are similar in overall, say everybody is drafting from the same pool of players....most likely, everybody is going to take the BPA, and on average, talent should be equally distributed. When you hit the playoffs, the team you face isn't going to be absurdly powerful, because its just the guys they got in the creation draft, there really haven't been any trades, other than big name for big name, due to salaries, and if you hit one or two players in the creation draft who sim better than look, its going to be easier to win. All of my players were injured during both my seasons quite frequently and I think I had Barkley out for a good chunk of the playoffs when I won the championship. Not sure though. You like to use the injury line so I will use it. lol and if not for a fucking injury, I could repeat this year. that is the only reference to an injury I have made....and its cause I just lost my best player for allbut the last 12 days of the season, meaning I will have had him for a total of 18 days this season. I did not refer to injuries costing me titles or playoff runs, so I dunno where you get this from. This is all somewhat irrelevant to the main statement I made. I have had more success then you have in this league. So you went 55-27 last year, you have nothing to show for it. 55-27 isn't even an elite record BTW so I don't know why you use it as ammo. You're biggest argument is that league parity has a bigger differential then in the beginning and 55-27 winning the Atlantic doesn't show that unless the Atlantic just blows which doesn't help your case either. In the end I would rather have a championship ring and a 43-39 record then a 55-27 record with nothing to show for it. However you appear to ignore the fact that over the last 3 years I have gone from 42-40, 49-33, to 55-27, oh yeah, and my oldest starters are 28, and they are my oldest players as well. Now obviously this year, my record will most likely not improve...as I am stuck without my best player. But you completely ignore my upward trend, to state that I have done shit since I entered the league, although its cause you disappeared, leaving a shitty team. I will and continue to argue that I have accomplished more in this league then you have. I never said my teams were great. I have only said I did shit when I needed too. The bottom line is when push comes to shove you can have the excuses you want, but 9 playoff wins in 9 years is a TERRIBLE statistic....you can't argue superiority with your team to nearly EVERYBODY, this argument was meant to be you vs me and HOW THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB THEN ME if that is what you're arguing because I have no idea what is being argued. You cannot prove that you have done better then me by attacking the manner of how I won because it doesn't put into the perspective the job you have done. its 8 years fyi, this is my ninth year as gm of this team, and there have been no playoffs yet..... I never said I have done a better job than you. My point was You are not nearly as good as you act like you are...you got lucky, your team won, but you aren't the GOAT because of that, nor are you even close, you got lucky, won the first title, then made the finals your second year...why? The playoffs are a crapshoot the first 3 or four years, because nobody has really had a chance to change their team through FA/Trades and shit, and the talent is going to be spread relatively evenly throughout the teams.
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Post by mtg on Oct 14, 2009 13:17:24 GMT -5
goddamn
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Post by House on Oct 14, 2009 13:34:57 GMT -5
Pig come back!
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Post by mops on Oct 14, 2009 14:25:42 GMT -5
This is crazy
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Post by mops on Oct 14, 2009 14:31:48 GMT -5
I really don't know what to say here because I don't understand what are you trying to argue. If you think I am going after you're GMing abilities then no because I haven't been in a league with you so I can't accurately judge that. If you think I am going after how you are running this team to an extent yeah your right because you haven't really done a good job, sorry. I am not here all the time so I am just going on what I see on paper. The creation draft isn't as easy as you think, give it some credit. While I do agree with you it is potentially easier to make a better team, not to the extent that you think though. One advantage you have is that you know, or have a general idea how players will play where as after a FD you have no idea. Some players might be overrated, underrated, etc. Where in a maximum rebuild you can judge value more accurately. Bobby Simmons didn't score like a B+ C+ scorer. Blair Rasmussen was sure better then a B- scoring big. It works two ways. People who draft a great team in a creation draft don't always get a good team and it takes some kind of skill in order to make your team from good to elite in pre draft trades. Also takes a good GM to understand what type of depth he wants and what he wants to focus on. And I did that to an extend in the FD. All of my players were injured during both my seasons quite frequently and I think I had Barkley out for a good chunk of the playoffs when I won the championship. Not sure though. You like to use the injury line so I will use it. This is all somewhat irrelevant to the main statement I made. I have had more success then you have in this league. So you went 55-27 last year, you have nothing to show for it. 55-27 isn't even an elite record BTW so I don't know why you use it as ammo. You're biggest argument is that league parity has a bigger differential then in the beginning and 55-27 winning the Atlantic doesn't show that unless the Atlantic just blows which doesn't help your case either. In the end I would rather have a championship ring and a 43-39 record then a 55-27 record with nothing to show for it. I will and continue to argue that I have accomplished more in this league then you have. I never said my teams were great. I have only said I did shit when I needed too. The bottom line is when push comes to shove you can have the excuses you want, but 9 playoff wins in 9 years is a TERRIBLE statistic....you can't argue superiority with your team to nearly EVERYBODY, this argument was meant to be you vs me and HOW THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB THEN ME if that is what you're arguing because I have no idea what is being argued. You cannot prove that you have done better then me by attacking the manner of how I won because it doesn't put into the perspective the job you have done. That's a lot to say when you start out saying you don't know what to say... Just sayin....
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Post by cliff "woo" harris on Oct 14, 2009 16:00:55 GMT -5
shit guys, you should C n P your debate and post a few articles out of it. Might as well get points for all that blabbering lol.
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Post by csdude07 on Oct 14, 2009 16:12:41 GMT -5
I'd vote
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Post by crazymike2021 on Oct 14, 2009 16:21:00 GMT -5
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Post by House on Oct 14, 2009 16:21:42 GMT -5
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Post by tmaczdaddy on Oct 14, 2009 16:26:40 GMT -5
soo.......
who won?
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