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Post by cliff "woo" harris on May 11, 2010 1:22:52 GMT -5
Don't make the drafts shitty again. IMO just leave it at what it is just raise the number of wins or something. If you can't build more than a 40 win team in 5 seasons then... 3 Seasons would be to short, if you were to rebuild correctly. You would just have to trade all the players you drafted to try and win. Not shitty, just more busts, although plays files have been pretty damn good IMO. So I don't think there should be a change there..
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Post by kobe24 on May 11, 2010 1:25:55 GMT -5
Well the point of tanking/rebuilding is to build a long successful franchise not to win 40 right away, kind of defeats the purpose of rebuilding through the draft. I mean you have to get lucky in TC and somewhat lucky in FA. Y'all criticize some of the guys who do build good teams year in and year out but know they will never win a title so you tell them to rebuild. But if they rebuild you expect them to be great in 3 seasons?
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Post by kobe24 on May 11, 2010 1:26:42 GMT -5
We had 4 straight years of bust. No thank you...Don't tell play to change anything.
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Post by Kruwaukee on May 11, 2010 1:26:43 GMT -5
And trunks has put together a nice little team. Bringing in Johnson and Wright and drafting Favors. Telfair is becoming one of the better PGs in the league. They should be good soon if Favors can develop. Most guys have to give up all their youth or their firsts to get by in their contract year which sucks. And just because he doesn't want to give you whoever for whoever you are offering doesn't mean he should be fired or w/e. The fact that he's been absentee more times than not during the season hasn't helped him. You can't be passive running your team while rebuilding and expect to get better. The better GMs are proactive in the league and have a strong pulse on every team. They comb trade blocks and look for trade avenues before they happen. They look ahead to a season or two ahead when looking at their team fiscally. They also write articles and improve their youth when their potential is high to improve. The GMs who leave their rebuilding exclusively to tanking and rebuilding via draft often are the ones who struggle to come back and wind up in their contract year.
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Post by Kruwaukee on May 11, 2010 1:29:04 GMT -5
The drafts have been great. We've seen top talent bust and late talent bloom (occasionally). I've seen Baron Davis bust at #2 and I've also had Terrance Williams and Eddie Griffin blossom at #17.
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Post by kobe24 on May 11, 2010 1:29:55 GMT -5
He hasn't been the most active guy but Telfair-Wright-Favors-Johnson is one of the best young teams in the league.
Often times when rebuilding your picks/players you draft are about your only assets. So you can't really do much trading there and if you don't get a little lucky in FA and TC you can be in trouble.
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Post by kobe24 on May 11, 2010 1:31:58 GMT -5
But most of the more active guys don't really have a problem that is true. But its not like we have a lot of teams in their contract year every year. Play and marty are just mad because they can't get favors off of him or whoever they are trying to get.
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Post by Clifford "Poop" Harris on May 11, 2010 1:33:01 GMT -5
Building solely through the draft isn't a good idea.
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Post by Brophdog88 on May 11, 2010 1:34:58 GMT -5
Two options.. A. Make drafts harder to predict (so tanking teams dont always get what they want) or B. Shorten CY to 3 seasons and win in year 4th A has come true since Play's drafts, and for the period before...there were loads of busts...Eric Gordon anyone? and Cousins...if a player busts, it kinda kills the team so they have to lose an extra year, I should know, this is the first time I have tanked three straight seasons....mainly because of getting Eric Gordon that first draft just make it a tiered....if you don't win 40 or make playoffs in year 4 you have to win 48 regardless of playoffs
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Post by Kruwaukee on May 11, 2010 1:36:25 GMT -5
He hasn't been the most active guy but Telfair-Wright-Favors-Johnson is one of the best young teams in the league. Often times when rebuilding your picks/players you draft are about your only assets. So you can't really do much trading there and if you don't get a little lucky in FA and TC you can be in trouble. What has he done in the past 3-4 off seasons. You're telling me he couldn't get "lucky" in any year? This is what I mean about having a fiscal plan for your team. He should have looked to make the big splash in free agency before Telfair cashed in. He should have did all he could to clear cap before that happened so that he could utilize his cap space before giving Telfair the obvious max.
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Post by kobe24 on May 11, 2010 1:36:49 GMT -5
Yea ashes made 4 straight classes of nothing but busts. That is a big set back if you have a top 5 pick and are basically relying on getting a franchise player with that pick.
But yea just make it where you have to get more wins in the 5th year.
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Post by Clifford "Poop" Harris on May 11, 2010 1:37:33 GMT -5
You trade busts before their value bottoms out.
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Post by Brophdog88 on May 11, 2010 1:38:27 GMT -5
You trade busts before their value bottoms out. Gordon's value bottomed out pretty much right away....though Thads and Griffin I managed to deal before they bottomed out
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Post by Clifford "Poop" Harris on May 11, 2010 1:39:46 GMT -5
I need to get a late round pick so i can draft another dorell wright or martynas.
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Post by cliff "woo" harris on May 11, 2010 1:40:53 GMT -5
Two options.. A. Make drafts harder to predict (so tanking teams dont always get what they want) or B. Shorten CY to 3 seasons and win in year 4th A has come true since Play's drafts, and for the period before...there were loads of busts...Eric Gordon anyone? and Cousins...if a player busts, it kinda kills the team so they have to lose an extra year, I should know, this is the first time I have tanked three straight seasons....mainly because of getting Eric Gordon that first draft just make it a tiered....if you don't win 40 or make playoffs in year 4 you have to win 48 regardless of playoffs Well there should be busts, just like real life. I think thats good. It's really up to the league if u guys want 4 years instead of 5 to make the CY..
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