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Post by Tigertecz on Jan 13, 2010 12:40:17 GMT -5
And by PP I meant Post Pad threads, but also remember that I won loads of points through another PP - Playoff Predictions too.
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Post by Tigertecz on Jan 13, 2010 12:44:46 GMT -5
Meh, whatever. At the end of the day, the conclusion is that Preira is beastly. And with that said, I'm right not to trade him for expiring and a couple of picks and hold on to him.
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Post by DB on Jan 13, 2010 13:39:35 GMT -5
So you're saying there's no credit for the rings I've won then? That everything was down to luck? Because that's some bullshit right there. Sure, some parts are down to luck, as with everything like you say. Hell you can go in with the best team in the league and lose in the first round and say the 8th seed got lucky. Doesn't mean they didn't try and put in a good depth chart, get the tactics right etc etc. You can't take away from the achievement. I've never ever said my team would have been as successful without Preira than with him, but at the same time you can't deny I've had to build around Preira in order to win. An 8th seed upsetting a number 1 seed has nothing to do with signing a player with C ratings across the board and then him blowing up. The difference is luck. You said you would of won a ship without EP on your roster at the time and I don't think you would have. We will never know. Hey you did put pieces around him, but as the case of this season, you don't need much around him in order to win in the playoffs. |
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Post by DB on Jan 13, 2010 13:43:17 GMT -5
it's not like Preira just blew up either Tiger actually developed him, something 75% of people don't do here. Via Articles: Etienne Preira:Stealing/Quickness/Strength IT: Etienne Preira-Mid Range Shooting (+5),Speed (+0). Strength (+2), Passing (+2) of course people upgrade their players all the time what are you even talking about. EP blew up, simple as that. Those increases are not significant enough to warrant the type of player he is. To say tiger developed him is pushing it, the MAN BLEW UP, for christ sake. He exploded, for some reason or another he exploded. To say he was developed is laughable. |
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Post by martinez on Jan 13, 2010 13:44:27 GMT -5
we'll see what tiger's made out of... he still thinks Preira is going to net him stud youth and picks which it won't no one is going to want to trade for a 32 year old superstar with only 2 years left on his contract.
He'd rather hang on to him, which is mistake. It's going to be fun to watch how the bulls are from here on out.
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Post by DB on Jan 13, 2010 13:47:51 GMT -5
From 1997-2004 EP has won the MVP every season. LOL wtf? come on.
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Post by Kruwaukee on Jan 13, 2010 15:07:20 GMT -5
There is no doubt that EP is a superstar on another level and I do feel that he is talented enough to win on his own. Every GM in the league would be successful with him however you can't deny the job that Tiger has done with continually adding talent around him to make himself the best team in the league.
I'm not sure how his talent was laughable around him this year. He had Peja, Max, Camby, Rodriguez, Cliff Robinson, Miner, and others.
Also Marty made a great point that Tiger was proactive in making EP even better than he was with articles and bonus incentives. EP wouldn't have been as great as he was without Tiger.
I don't think Shaq has been upgraded to the max yet nor was Jordan. If you look at guys like Duncan, Ming, etc. none of those guys have been upgraded to their max potential yet either.
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Post by DB on Jan 13, 2010 15:25:56 GMT -5
There is no doubt that EP is a superstar on another level and I do feel that he is talented enough to win on his own. Every GM in the league would be successful with him however you can't deny the job that Tiger has done with continually adding talent around him to make himself the best team in the league. I'm not sure how his talent was laughable around him this year. He had Peja, Max, Camby, Rodriguez, Cliff Robinson, Miner, and others. Also Marty made a great point that Tiger was proactive in making EP even better than he was with articles and bonus incentives. EP wouldn't have been as great as he was without Tiger. I don't think Shaq has been upgraded to the max yet nor was Jordan. If you look at guys like Duncan, Ming, etc. none of those guys have been upgraded to their max potential yet either. EP is good as he is because of his TC's not because of Tiger rcing him. Maybe it helped but he is amazing because he exploded. Shaq, Duncan, Ming will not reach his level because well, its to late for shaq, and because they have not exploded in tc like he did. Just because you can upgrade them, does not mean anything. I never called the talent he surrounded with him laughable either. Don't put words into my mouth, i called something else laughable. |
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Post by Kruwaukee on Jan 13, 2010 16:47:01 GMT -5
There is no doubt that EP is a superstar on another level and I do feel that he is talented enough to win on his own. Every GM in the league would be successful with him however you can't deny the job that Tiger has done with continually adding talent around him to make himself the best team in the league. I'm not sure how his talent was laughable around him this year. He had Peja, Max, Camby, Rodriguez, Cliff Robinson, Miner, and others. Also Marty made a great point that Tiger was proactive in making EP even better than he was with articles and bonus incentives. EP wouldn't have been as great as he was without Tiger. I don't think Shaq has been upgraded to the max yet nor was Jordan. If you look at guys like Duncan, Ming, etc. none of those guys have been upgraded to their max potential yet either. EP is good as he is because of his TC's not because of Tiger rcing him. Maybe it helped but he is amazing because he exploded. Shaq, Duncan, Ming will not reach his level because well, its to late for shaq, and because they have not exploded in tc like he did. Just because you can upgrade them, does not mean anything. I never called the talent he surrounded with him laughable either. Don't put words into my mouth, i called something else laughable. So you don't think adding +5-8 prior to TC is going to help him explode more in TC? I'm not disputing EP's awesomeness but to discredit Tiger and chalk it up to shear luck is flat out wrong. |
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Post by DB on Jan 13, 2010 18:06:03 GMT -5
EP is good as he is because of his TC's not because of Tiger rcing him. Maybe it helped but he is amazing because he exploded. Shaq, Duncan, Ming will not reach his level because well, its to late for shaq, and because they have not exploded in tc like he did. Just because you can upgrade them, does not mean anything. I never called the talent he surrounded with him laughable either. Don't put words into my mouth, i called something else laughable. So you don't think adding +5-8 prior to TC is going to help him explode more in TC? I'm not disputing EP's awesomeness but to discredit Tiger and chalk it up to shear luck is flat out wrong. Over the course of say 5 seasons it really doesn't matter at that point, the man is already a stud, those points each year are just adding to his godly talent. 2 puts point year somewhere, 3 the next. I don't think it really matters. I see it as one way, and that is luck. Thats it. |
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Post by Brophdog88 on Jan 13, 2010 18:55:53 GMT -5
I guess I should post my +5 +5 to Al Jeff Blocking please |
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Post by Tigertecz on Jan 14, 2010 3:57:35 GMT -5
So you're saying there's no credit for the rings I've won then? That everything was down to luck? Because that's some bullshit right there. Sure, some parts are down to luck, as with everything like you say. Hell you can go in with the best team in the league and lose in the first round and say the 8th seed got lucky. Doesn't mean they didn't try and put in a good depth chart, get the tactics right etc etc. You can't take away from the achievement. I've never ever said my team would have been as successful without Preira than with him, but at the same time you can't deny I've had to build around Preira in order to win. An 8th seed upsetting a number 1 seed has nothing to do with signing a player with C ratings across the board and then him blowing up. The difference is luck. You said you would of won a ship without EP on your roster at the time and I don't think you would have. We will never know. Hey you did put pieces around him, but as the case of this season, you don't need much around him in order to win in the playoffs. When I signed him he didn't have C's across the board. And I didn't know he was going to turn into this, nobody did. All I knew was that he was a great shotblocking point guard and I know how important shotblockers are in FBB, so I made a move for him. It's not like I just tanked my team to the top of the lotto and drafted a superstar the likes of Shaq or Kobe or Duncan etc. I still had to work to get good pieces around him and you can't say you don't need much around him in order to win because last season was testament to it when we went out of the playoffs early. This season's supporting cast was still really good. Preira came off the bench anyway and my starting five consisted of the 6th best player in the per 48 mins rankings (Camby), a PG who is top ten in SPG and in APG (Rodriguez), a SG who is top ten in SPG (Maxwell), an All Defensive First Team forward (Cliffy) and a sharpshooting SF who could score 20ppg (Peja). Not to mention Miner coming off the bench who could still light up teams on offense every now and then too. |
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Post by martinez on Jan 14, 2010 9:06:38 GMT -5
pretty sure when Preira was signed as a FA he was pretty coveted
he was like B- B B B B A or something like that
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Post by Tigertecz on Jan 14, 2010 9:14:36 GMT -5
Etienne Preira PG 22 6'7'' 200 B- B+ B- B C+ B
Etienne Preira PG 22 6'7'' 200 B- A- B+ A- C A
- Increase in outside shooting and potential with a huge double increase in handling and defense, while dropping rebounding. Fuck me. He was my primary target in FA and I'm so glad I offered him the money I did. I didn't expect him to explode this much but it's a good sign to see.
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Post by DB on Jan 14, 2010 11:16:22 GMT -5
An 8th seed upsetting a number 1 seed has nothing to do with signing a player with C ratings across the board and then him blowing up. The difference is luck. You said you would of won a ship without EP on your roster at the time and I don't think you would have. We will never know. Hey you did put pieces around him, but as the case of this season, you don't need much around him in order to win in the playoffs. When I signed him he didn't have C's across the board. And I didn't know he was going to turn into this, nobody did. All I knew was that he was a great shotblocking point guard and I know how important shotblockers are in FBB, so I made a move for him. It's not like I just tanked my team to the top of the lotto and drafted a superstar the likes of Shaq or Kobe or Duncan etc. I still had to work to get good pieces around him and you can't say you don't need much around him in order to win because last season was testament to it when we went out of the playoffs early. This season's supporting cast was still really good. Preira came off the bench anyway and my starting five consisted of the 6th best player in the per 48 mins rankings (Camby), a PG who is top ten in SPG and in APG (Rodriguez), a SG who is top ten in SPG (Maxwell), an All Defensive First Team forward (Cliffy) and a sharpshooting SF who could score 20ppg (Peja). Not to mention Miner coming off the bench who could still light up teams on offense every now and then too. Whether he had Cs when he came INTO the league or Bs a few years in who really cares, the man exploded to an uber talent. You "saw" something and got lucky. EP came off the bench, once again proving the mans abilities to lead a team because he is so nasty. I've made my point I dont care anymore. |
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