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Post by Andrew on Mar 24, 2010 1:07:03 GMT -5
just put it through and lets move on
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Post by crazymike2021 on Mar 24, 2010 1:08:57 GMT -5
He could had done the same thing and even got more maybe and thats a big if
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Post by Brophdog88 on Mar 24, 2010 1:09:08 GMT -5
lol, seriously Kru you know better...Marshall plays little defense,isn't a great scorer, is 34, and has a contract that is toxic. Bibby's deal expires at 31 and he plays D passes, and can score...he is one year removed from a 25 point per game season, and this year Ducky has done everything possible to sabotage his production.... He put those numbers up in an outside offense on the WORST team in the league. If you want a true indication of Bibby's production look to the years where the Rockets were successful and Bibby was a part of it. He's a good player just like Marshall is a good player. My point is that Marshall has just as good as numbers as Bibby. He takes up about the same amount of cap. GMs make trades that are for financial flexibility. We all shouldn't be so simple minded to say wow he get this guy for this? There is more to it than just Team A talent = Team B talent. What if he landed Dwight Howard because of this trade? marshall puts up just as good of numbers? seriously Kru? are you drunk? stoned? come on, Donyell is a 19 ppg payer with solid rebounds and sub par defense, while Bibby is putting up 19 points 8 assists with absolutely nobody to pass to in an offense that is attempting to hurt his numbers, and Bibby plays D as well and is 28, and has a contract that maxes out at 20 million at 31, not 22.5 at 38 |
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Post by crazymike2021 on Mar 24, 2010 1:10:38 GMT -5
He put those numbers up in an outside offense on the WORST team in the league. If you want a true indication of Bibby's production look to the years where the Rockets were successful and Bibby was a part of it. He's a good player just like Marshall is a good player. My point is that Marshall has just as good as numbers as Bibby. He takes up about the same amount of cap. GMs make trades that are for financial flexibility. We all shouldn't be so simple minded to say wow he get this guy for this? There is more to it than just Team A talent = Team B talent. What if he landed Dwight Howard because of this trade? marshall puts up just as good of numbers? seriously Kru? are you drunk? stoned? come on, Donyell is a 19 ppg payer with solid rebounds and sub par defense, while Bibby is putting up 19 points 8 assists with absolutely nobody to pass to in an offense that is attempting to hurt his numbers, and Bibby plays D as well and is 28, and has a contract that maxes out at 20 million at 31, not 22.5 at 38 Thats how I see it |
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Post by Kruwaukee on Mar 24, 2010 1:14:44 GMT -5
Broph take a step back and actually read what I'm saying. I'm not comparing Bibby to Marshall on shear talent but the trades they were involved in.
The logic behind crazymikes and partially yours was that a player putting up certain statistics carries a certain value. Well I got 2 firsts + a player of similar stats for nothing. So with your logic that trade should have been veto'd just like this one because the balance of talent is not equal.
However taking on Marshall was no easy task and paying a premium to dump his contract was worth it for Orlando. Granted Bibby commands more value being younger and more talented however there wasn't much of a market out there for him. (Nor was there for Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, or Allen Iverson). The Rockets wanted to clear salary and I provided and outlet for that to happen in addition to giving him compensation for not giving him all expiring contracts with a first round pick. Granted this isn't = value for Bibby's talent however this is the direction he wanted to go into and in the long run will hopefully help the development of his franchise.
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Post by Brophdog88 on Mar 24, 2010 1:18:02 GMT -5
Broph take a step back and actually read what I'm saying. I'm not comparing Bibby to Marshall on shear talent but the trades they were involved in. The logic behind crazymikes and partially yours was that a player putting up certain statistics carries a certain value. Well I got 2 firsts + a player of similar stats for nothing. So with your logic that trade should have been veto'd just like this one because the balance of talent is not equal. However taking on Marshall was no easy task and paying a premium to dump his contract was worth it for Orlando. Granted Bibby commands more value being younger and more talented however there wasn't much of a market out there for him. (Nor was there for Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, or Allen Iverson). The Rockets wanted to clear salary and I provided and outlet for that to happen in addition to giving him compensation for not giving him all expiring contracts with a first round pick. Granted this isn't = value for Bibby's talent however this is the direction he wanted to go into and in the long run will hopefully help the development of his franchise. Kru I have looked at this as hard as I can...but this contract is a year shorter, and the player is much younger...the only reason that shaun gave up two firsts in the deal is because he tried and tried to move Marshall for a long time, but nobody wanted him...so he had to pay to get rid of him....Houston tried for what, maybe a day? |
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Post by Kruwaukee on Mar 24, 2010 1:21:32 GMT -5
Broph take a step back and actually read what I'm saying. I'm not comparing Bibby to Marshall on shear talent but the trades they were involved in. The logic behind crazymikes and partially yours was that a player putting up certain statistics carries a certain value. Well I got 2 firsts + a player of similar stats for nothing. So with your logic that trade should have been veto'd just like this one because the balance of talent is not equal. However taking on Marshall was no easy task and paying a premium to dump his contract was worth it for Orlando. Granted Bibby commands more value being younger and more talented however there wasn't much of a market out there for him. (Nor was there for Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, or Allen Iverson). The Rockets wanted to clear salary and I provided and outlet for that to happen in addition to giving him compensation for not giving him all expiring contracts with a first round pick. Granted this isn't = value for Bibby's talent however this is the direction he wanted to go into and in the long run will hopefully help the development of his franchise. Kru I have looked at this as hard as I can...but this contract is a year shorter, and the player is much younger...the only reason that shaun gave up two firsts in the deal is because he tried and tried to move Marshall for a long time, but nobody wanted him...so he had to pay to get rid of him....Houston tried for what, maybe a day? Ughhh. No shit they don't have the same contracts but I'm trying to prove a point that trades aren't always made for = talents. Sometimes trades are lopsided but work for both parties involved. Thats my point. |
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Post by Brophdog88 on Mar 24, 2010 1:24:43 GMT -5
Kru I have looked at this as hard as I can...but this contract is a year shorter, and the player is much younger... Ughhh. No shit they don't have the same contracts but I'm trying to prove a point that trades aren't always made for = talents. Sometimes trades are lopsided but work for both parties involved. Thats my point. you missed the most important part of my post the only reason that shaun gave up two firsts in the deal is because he tried and tried to move Marshall for a long time, but nobody wanted him...so he had to pay to get rid of him....Houston tried for what, maybe a day? |
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Post by crazymike2021 on Mar 24, 2010 1:24:51 GMT -5
Kru I have looked at this as hard as I can...but this contract is a year shorter, and the player is much younger...the only reason that shaun gave up two firsts in the deal is because he tried and tried to move Marshall for a long time, but nobody wanted him...so he had to pay to get rid of him....Houston tried for what, maybe a day? Ughhh. No shit they don't have the same contracts but I'm trying to prove a point that trades aren't always made for = talents. Sometimes trades are lopsided but work for both parties involved. Thats my point. The thing is his had the team for a day and he traded the best player for a late first. |
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Post by tmaczdaddy on Mar 24, 2010 1:27:40 GMT -5
Should be vetoed.
I think it's ridiculous that it is being put through just for the sake of keeping the GM that is raping in this deal.
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Post by crazymike2021 on Mar 24, 2010 1:28:37 GMT -5
Should be vetoed. I think it's ridiculous that it is being put through just for the sake of keeping the GM that is raping in this deal. Yup but that's life |
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Post by Kruwaukee on Mar 24, 2010 1:29:20 GMT -5
Ughhh. No shit they don't have the same contracts but I'm trying to prove a point that trades aren't always made for = talents. Sometimes trades are lopsided but work for both parties involved. Thats my point. you missed the most important part of my post the only reason that shaun gave up two firsts in the deal is because he tried and tried to move Marshall for a long time, but nobody wanted him...so he had to pay to get rid of him....Houston tried for what, maybe a day? You also missed my point of showing Bibby trade blocks for the past 3-4 seasons. Also what did Kidd, Nash, and Iverson get dealt for? They're all higher quality PG's than Bibby. There really isn't a market out there for him. |
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Post by crazymike2021 on Mar 24, 2010 1:31:45 GMT -5
you missed the most important part of my post the only reason that shaun gave up two firsts in the deal is because he tried and tried to move Marshall for a long time, but nobody wanted him...so he had to pay to get rid of him....Houston tried for what, maybe a day? You also missed my point of showing Bibby trade blocks for the past 3-4 seasons. Also what did Kidd, Nash, and Iverson get dealt for? They're all higher quality PG's than Bibby. There really isn't a market out there for him. Ducky was just seeing what was out there for him. Ducky even told me he was never planing on trading him. Plus the new Gm didn't know that and really didn't try. |
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Post by Brophdog88 on Mar 24, 2010 1:38:01 GMT -5
you missed the most important part of my post the only reason that shaun gave up two firsts in the deal is because he tried and tried to move Marshall for a long time, but nobody wanted him...so he had to pay to get rid of him....Houston tried for what, maybe a day? You also missed my point of showing Bibby trade blocks for the past 3-4 seasons. Also what did Kidd, Nash, and Iverson get dealt for? They're all higher quality PG's than Bibby. There really isn't a market out there for him. Kidd got two firsts and an owed and his contract is toxic...as in the Knicks are going to be having problems for a long time with it if he doesn't retire early. Nash went for a first, but he too is on a toxic franchise crippling contract, and Iverson went with Navarro for a lotto pick and Martell Webster...and he too had a quite evil contract, but the last two both went to a team in their CY.... |
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Post by Kruwaukee on Mar 24, 2010 1:41:00 GMT -5
Toxic contracts are only toxic to some teams. Remember Pedrag Danionivic was toxic to some but helped Ducky become the Buffalo Bills of this sim league.
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