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Post by House on Mar 26, 2010 10:31:42 GMT -5
I think he is earning respect points. I give him respect points for it.
Did I mention he's earned respect points?
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Post by martinez on Mar 26, 2010 10:39:27 GMT -5
he's earning respect points for what? leaving this mess for someone else?
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Post by martinez on Mar 26, 2010 10:40:08 GMT -5
in my league, we fired someone for contract year, but he signed up on the waiting list and got the first available team that wasn't his previous really, thanks for clarifying that I had an incredibly hard time understanding this simple concept.
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Post by Kruwaukee on Mar 26, 2010 10:45:48 GMT -5
I don't like the fact that you step back and when another team opens you'll get that team that could potentially be a better situation then Detroit. You have another year to fix the mess you created, why wouldn't you want the opportunity to do that? This might be Marty's best post ever. There is truth to this. Prince made his bed he should lay in it.
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Post by ib4 on Mar 26, 2010 10:54:16 GMT -5
is the real goal of Contract Year to get a new GM to a struggling franchise? or to punish the GM for mediocrity-or-worse? probably both, but I would think it's more so the first one. So one would assume that keeping him on the Pistons would probably lead to...him not making the playoffs once again, right?
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Post by Kruwaukee on Mar 26, 2010 11:49:32 GMT -5
is the real goal of Contract Year to get a new GM to a struggling franchise? or to punish the GM for mediocrity-or-worse? probably both, but I would think it's more so the first one. So one would assume that keeping him on the Pistons would probably lead to...him not making the playoffs once again, right? also very good point.
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Post by princemaharajah on Mar 26, 2010 11:53:40 GMT -5
I don't like the fact that you step back and when another team opens you'll get that team that could potentially be a better situation then Detroit. You have another year to fix the mess you created, why wouldn't you want the opportunity to do that? You want to explain how I created a mess, the team has more youth and more talent when I first took over. Mike left me a team with an expiring brent barry that left the team in free agency and the second best player to Barry was Tony Dumas. Not to mention I was without a draft pick in 2003 and took over a team with no youth.
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Post by princemaharajah on Mar 26, 2010 11:55:19 GMT -5
I don't like the fact that you step back and when another team opens you'll get that team that could potentially be a better situation then Detroit. You have another year to fix the mess you created, why wouldn't you want the opportunity to do that? whats with all the douchebags in this league suddenly making the most sense? PRINCE MADE THIS MESS, HE SHOULD HAVE TO SEE IT THROUGH. Again what mess did I make?
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Post by princemaharajah on Mar 26, 2010 11:56:27 GMT -5
I don't like the fact that you step back and when another team opens you'll get that team that could potentially be a better situation then Detroit. You have another year to fix the mess you created, why wouldn't you want the opportunity to do that? This might be Marty's best post ever. There is truth to this. Prince made his bed he should lay in it. Lay in what mess? The pistons franchise shouldn't sacrifice more picks just for a GM just to make a contract year. It would be better off rebuilding.
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Post by House on Mar 26, 2010 11:57:05 GMT -5
But now you get a full season with these guys you traded for and haven't sacrificed picks yet. I'm pretty confident a full (HEALTHY) season from these guys gets at least 40.
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Post by princemaharajah on Mar 26, 2010 11:58:42 GMT -5
But now you get a full season with these guys you traded for and haven't sacrificed picks yet. I'm pretty confident a full (HEALTHY) season from these guys gets at least 40. I still had a losing record with the guys I traded for. Setting this aside it would be best for the franchise to rebuild through the draft. I don't need to be the GM of any team. If you guys want, I'll take a 5 season layover. I have no problems with a such a decision. If you want, you can kick me out for good.
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Post by princemaharajah on Mar 26, 2010 12:01:53 GMT -5
If you want I can keep the team I have but I'll be rebuilding the team this off-season and not trying to make the playoffs or get 40. Up to you.
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Post by princemaharajah on Mar 26, 2010 12:04:34 GMT -5
It's not even worth mentioning the best player I drafted left the team in free agency for less money.
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Post by martinez on Mar 26, 2010 12:10:32 GMT -5
It's not even worth mentioning the best player I drafted left the team in free agency for less money. as if you're the only person who's had that happen to them... I think the problem is you lost interest because you didn't build the team you first thought and then when you weren't heading for 40 you scrambled to put together a team to try to get to 40. It obviously didn't work out and now your stuck with two vets in their twilight years with almost untradeable contracts... a player in Nazr who's expiring and is entirely overrated based on his ratings and Artest who also doesn't warrant the contract for his production. the next GM certainly is not left the greatest of situations... I'd find it extremely difficult to find a team willing enough to take on either AI or Nash and give a substantial amount worth trading them away for. You took to long to make moves and you have no one to blame but yourself but the situation your leaving the next GM is hardly most ideal, I still think the Nazr for Sheed deal would have helped you out tremendously but I'm glad I didn't make the move because Nazr is really really crap simming wise.
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Post by princemaharajah on Mar 26, 2010 12:25:25 GMT -5
It's not even worth mentioning the best player I drafted left the team in free agency for less money. as if you're the only person who's had that happen to them... I think the problem is you lost interest because you didn't build the team you first thought and then when you weren't heading for 40 you scrambled to put together a team to try to get to 40. It obviously didn't work out and now your stuck with two vets in their twilight years with almost untradeable contracts... a player in Nazr who's expiring and is entirely overrated based on his ratings and Artest who also doesn't warrant the contract for his production. the next GM certainly is not left the greatest of situations... I'd find it extremely difficult to find a team willing enough to take on either AI or Nash and give a substantial amount worth trading them away for. You took to long to make moves and you have no one to blame but yourself but the situation your leaving the next GM is hardly most ideal, I still think the Nazr for Sheed deal would have helped you out tremendously but I'm glad I didn't make the move because Nazr is really really crap simming wise. Out of the above posts you quoted, you quoted the most refutable. This has happened to DB with Marion and who else, yes plenty of people have lost players to free agency but few for less money. But this isn't even a point worth debating. You said, "I think the problem is you lost interest because you didn't build the team you first thought and then when you weren't heading for 40 you scrambled to put together a team to try to get to 40." This post implies that I just decided to scramble for 40 when this was far from the case. As mentioned above I was trying to get to 40 for the last three seasons and failed. "the next GM certainly is not left the greatest of situations... I'd find it extremely difficult to find a team willing enough to take on either AI or Nash and give a substantial amount worth trading them away for." The post * may* seem to imply that I received a team in the greatest situations. I refuted this notion above. Yet plenty of teams have aging players on the team. As for getting something in return for these players. I hardly gave anything away for Nash and as for getting Iverson, yes I did give up Webster but is it worth traded away more youth just for me to get 40 wins. Absolutely not. "You took to long to make moves and you have no one to blame but yourself but the situation your leaving the next GM is hardly most ideal, I still think the Nazr for Sheed deal would have helped you out tremendously but I'm glad I didn't make the move because Nazr is really really crap simming wise." I took too long to make moves, in what way, because a GM didn't respond to me on time? This now becomes my fault. But I'll set this point aside. Trading Nazr for Sheed contradicts a point you made earlier about leaving a team with a mess. Had I traded for Sheed, the team would be over the hard cap next season. I'm glad I didn't trade for such a crap contract where I wouldn't have made my contract year anyway and hampered the team further. Had I made the contract year, I would have hampered the franchise further by trading away my youth just to keep me under the hard cap.
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