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Post by princemaharajah on Oct 13, 2010 22:37:09 GMT -5
More like a window of failure. Had Chipper held onto Jones this year, the pick would not have been lottery. Chipper would have freed up cap room from Okafur and Humphries contracts to sign other players. With just Jones and Harden, it would have given him enough room to go after role player to help his team win and sign Okafur and Humphries to smaller contracts after signing 2-3 roleplayers. Regardless the West is weak enough that Jones could have led the same team next season to the playoffs. Instead of opting to get youth and picks from other teams, he lost patience and went after his own picks. The pick you owned were worthless, Jay had a slightly valuable pick in 2021. It's still not enough to land Ray or Perry Jones. The best trades are usually the ones that aren't made. Chipper seemed trigger happy and pulled the deal on the wrong move. or he loses Meka to retirement, and Humphries sucks, then misses on big names in FA, has to try to sign role players, of which his team has none, then his picks are far more valuable, and spread across three different teams, making it near impossible that he gets them all back. All the more so to do the deal AFTER the season, not during the season. Where he could have had more value in this deal than Jay. Again, you're assuming he'll lose out on big name free agency...even with my bad luck I was able to make some big picks ups and I'm in the playoffs in the shitty west. You did a great swindle job. |
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Post by princemaharajah on Oct 13, 2010 22:38:46 GMT -5
The team has Perry, they currently have the third best record in the west, where 50% of the teams are rebuilding. but he doesnt have Perry anymore...meaning his team is gonna be shit Had he kept Perry, the team makes the playoffs. Now he has to tank hard where half the teams in the west are tanking and he'll have to lose every game for the rest of the season to even have a shot at a top three pick. |
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Post by princemaharajah on Oct 13, 2010 22:39:30 GMT -5
I Agree to this deal. Reason: Because I am not dumb. Deekeba/T-Mitch/Kehoe/Price/McCallum. Oldest player is 26. BOW BOW BOW BOW! you raped me, oh well, alll in all it works out for everybody, though you should have given your 21 considering the 19 is sucky now, but I didnt want to wait to try to force you to do that, so I tossed in my 21 instead How does he rape you in a deal that netted you the best player in the league? |
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Post by Brophdog88 on Oct 13, 2010 22:40:41 GMT -5
or he loses Meka to retirement, and Humphries sucks, then misses on big names in FA, has to try to sign role players, of which his team has none, then his picks are far more valuable, and spread across three different teams, making it near impossible that he gets them all back. All the more so to do the deal AFTER the season, not during the season. Where he could have had more value in this deal than Jay. Again, you're assuming he'll lose out on big name free agency...even with my bad luck I was able to make some big picks ups and I'm in the playoffs in the shitty west. You did a great swindle job. He gets his shot in FA anyway, only with more cap, and if he does get somebody nice, he can deal said player for picks and youth as well, however, if he waits til the offseason, 3 gm's each only have one pick that they can offer him of his, meaning any deal is tough to do, as if he deals for one, two others are still out there, or the GM offering him has to go get the other two picks, and then Chip would need more on top of that, but that isnt gonna happen since GM's would hold the picks at ransom knowing why they are being acquired |
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Post by Brophdog88 on Oct 13, 2010 22:41:21 GMT -5
you raped me, oh well, alll in all it works out for everybody, though you should have given your 21 considering the 19 is sucky now, but I didnt want to wait to try to force you to do that, so I tossed in my 21 instead How does he rape you in a deal that netted you the best player in the league? I gave up ray McCallum for far less than he was worth, I should have gotten more picks than that, but, he knew what I was trying to get the picks for |
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Post by princemaharajah on Oct 13, 2010 22:44:07 GMT -5
All the more so to do the deal AFTER the season, not during the season. Where he could have had more value in this deal than Jay. Again, you're assuming he'll lose out on big name free agency...even with my bad luck I was able to make some big picks ups and I'm in the playoffs in the shitty west. You did a great swindle job. He gets his shot in FA anyway, only with more cap, and if he does get somebody nice, he can deal said player for picks and youth as well, however, if he waits til the offseason, 3 gm's each only have one pick that they can offer him of his, meaning any deal is tough to do, as if he deals for one, two others are still out there, or the GM offering him has to go get the other two picks, and then Chip would need more on top of that, but that isnt gonna happen since GM's would hold the picks at ransom knowing why they are being acquired He would have his shot in FA WITH PERRY. You can't dismiss the fact that he can sign a max free agent with the cap room AND add Okafor and Humphries if they don't retire. No matter how shitty you think both are, they can still compete in the shitty west. Again, the very fact that Jay comes away with better value in this deal than Chipper says A LOT. |
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Post by princemaharajah on Oct 13, 2010 22:47:19 GMT -5
How does he rape you in a deal that netted you the best player in the league? I gave up ray McCallum for far less than he was worth, I should have gotten more picks than that, but, he knew what I was trying to get the picks for It was a three way deal. You would not have dealt Ray had you not raped for Perry Jones. It's almost like saying, well I would not have traded David Robinson for Vincent Askew, if they guy that wanted Vincent Askew was going to trade me Jordan for him. |
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Post by Brophdog88 on Oct 13, 2010 22:48:12 GMT -5
He gets his shot in FA anyway, only with more cap, and if he does get somebody nice, he can deal said player for picks and youth as well, however, if he waits til the offseason, 3 gm's each only have one pick that they can offer him of his, meaning any deal is tough to do, as if he deals for one, two others are still out there, or the GM offering him has to go get the other two picks, and then Chip would need more on top of that, but that isnt gonna happen since GM's would hold the picks at ransom knowing why they are being acquired He would have his shot in FA WITH PERRY. You can't dismiss the fact that he can sign a max free agent with the cap room AND add Okafor and Humphries if they don't retire. No matter how shitty you think both are, they can still compete in the shitty west. Again, the very fact that Jay comes away with better value in this deal than Chipper says A LOT. If Humphries and Okafor retire, he is screwed, but also note that odds are high if they dont, Chip has to use all his cap on day 1 to try to bring Okafor and T-Will back, meaning He does NOT get a shot at FA, he cant risk losing them, Twill looks nice, and Okafor blocks shots, meaning somebody could try to sign them, and take them away, leaving Chip with Perry and Harden and...Nothing..... |
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Post by Brophdog88 on Oct 13, 2010 22:48:53 GMT -5
I gave up ray McCallum for far less than he was worth, I should have gotten more picks than that, but, he knew what I was trying to get the picks for It was a three way deal. You would not have dealt Ray had you not raped for Perry Jones. It's almost like saying, well I would not have traded David Robinson for Vincent Askew, if they guy that wanted Vincent Askew was going to trade me Jordan for him. thing is though, I ended up covering the picks I should have gotten from Atlanta to include in the deal... |
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Post by princemaharajah on Oct 13, 2010 22:52:06 GMT -5
He would have his shot in FA WITH PERRY. You can't dismiss the fact that he can sign a max free agent with the cap room AND add Okafor and Humphries if they don't retire. No matter how shitty you think both are, they can still compete in the shitty west. Again, the very fact that Jay comes away with better value in this deal than Chipper says A LOT. If Humphries and Okafor retire, he is screwed, but also note that odds are high if they dont, Chip has to use all his cap on day 1 to try to bring Okafor and T-Will back, meaning He does NOT get a shot at FA, he cant risk losing them, Twill looks nice, and Okafor blocks shots, meaning somebody could try to sign them, and take them away, leaving Chip with Perry and Harden and...Nothing..... Again, we're talking about the shitty western conference. Can you not at least concede the conference sucks balls? He can lose Okafor, Humphries, have enough room for A MAX FREE AGENT. And resign T-Will on day two. Even if he gets capable roleplayers for cheap to replace them, he still makes the playoffs next year. There is no denying, Chipper makes the playoffs this year WITH perry. This sole factor makes doing this deal during the season pointless. AT the very least, do the deal in the off-season where he can get more value in return instead of Jay getting Ray. |
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Post by princemaharajah on Oct 13, 2010 22:53:46 GMT -5
It was a three way deal. You would not have dealt Ray had you not raped for Perry Jones. It's almost like saying, well I would not have traded David Robinson for Vincent Askew, if they guy that wanted Vincent Askew was going to trade me Jordan for him. thing is though, I ended up covering the picks I should have gotten from Atlanta to include in the deal... That was part of the deal to get Perry Jones. That's why you did it, then you whine to Jay on how he raped you when the real raping was done by you AND Jay on Chipper. |
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Post by Brophdog88 on Oct 13, 2010 23:03:21 GMT -5
If Humphries and Okafor retire, he is screwed, but also note that odds are high if they dont, Chip has to use all his cap on day 1 to try to bring Okafor and T-Will back, meaning He does NOT get a shot at FA, he cant risk losing them, Twill looks nice, and Okafor blocks shots, meaning somebody could try to sign them, and take them away, leaving Chip with Perry and Harden and...Nothing..... Again, we're talking about the shitty western conference. Can you not at least concede the conference sucks balls? He can lose Okafor, Humphries, have enough room for A MAX FREE AGENT. And resign T-Will on day two. Even if he gets capable roleplayers for cheap to replace them, he still makes the playoffs next year. There is no denying, Chipper makes the playoffs this year WITH perry. This sole factor makes doing this deal during the season pointless. AT the very least, do the deal in the off-season where he can get more value in return instead of Jay getting Ray. except somebody may offer T-Will, he COULDNT risk somebody stealing T-Will on day 1, if he lost him he would be done, so that would leave him with probably around 9 or so million in cap, if he doesnt bring back Okafor and Humphries...and the West is shitty yes, but, San Antonio, Minnesota, and Houston all have to start winning next season, Marty is stacked for the future, and probably starts winning next season as well, as he has shown an interest in doing so, thats 4 teams right there so Portland, Golden State, Phoenix, San Antonio, Sacramento, Los Angeles Clippers, Houston, Minnesota as well most likely, as he seemed to want to win this season, thats 8 teams that will be looking to win next season, all of whom would probably have a better team than Perry and Peanuts...(Harden is not a good player) |
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Post by princemaharajah on Oct 13, 2010 23:11:19 GMT -5
Again, we're talking about the shitty western conference. Can you not at least concede the conference sucks balls? He can lose Okafor, Humphries, have enough room for A MAX FREE AGENT. And resign T-Will on day two. Even if he gets capable roleplayers for cheap to replace them, he still makes the playoffs next year. There is no denying, Chipper makes the playoffs this year WITH perry. This sole factor makes doing this deal during the season pointless. AT the very least, do the deal in the off-season where he can get more value in return instead of Jay getting Ray. except somebody may offer T-Will, he COULDNT risk somebody stealing T-Will on day 1, if he lost him he would be done, so that would leave him with probably around 9 or so million in cap, if he doesnt bring back Okafor and Humphries...and the West is shitty yes, but, San Antonio, Minnesota, and Houston all have to start winning next season, Marty is stacked for the future, and probably starts winning next season as well, as he has shown an interest in doing so, thats 4 teams right there so Portland, Golden State, Phoenix, San Antonio, Sacramento, Los Angeles Clippers, Houston, Minnesota as well most likely, as he seemed to want to win this season, thats 8 teams that will be looking to win next season, all of whom would probably have a better team than Perry and Peanuts...(Harden is not a good player) And how about the fact that he can still sign a max player? How about the fact that if he makes this trade, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE OFF-SEASON. Where he would get MORE value in return THAN Jay. Yes, more teams may be trying to win next season, but not all of them will have the same success. Kings can still rebuild as well as the Rockets and Spurs. |
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Post by Brophdog88 on Oct 13, 2010 23:17:24 GMT -5
except somebody may offer T-Will, he COULDNT risk somebody stealing T-Will on day 1, if he lost him he would be done, so that would leave him with probably around 9 or so million in cap, if he doesnt bring back Okafor and Humphries...and the West is shitty yes, but, San Antonio, Minnesota, and Houston all have to start winning next season, Marty is stacked for the future, and probably starts winning next season as well, as he has shown an interest in doing so, thats 4 teams right there so Portland, Golden State, Phoenix, San Antonio, Sacramento, Los Angeles Clippers, Houston, Minnesota as well most likely, as he seemed to want to win this season, thats 8 teams that will be looking to win next season, all of whom would probably have a better team than Perry and Peanuts...(Harden is not a good player) And how about the fact that he can still sign a max player? How about the fact that if he makes this trade, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE OFF-SEASON. Where he would get MORE value in return THAN Jay. Yes, more teams may be trying to win next season, but not all of them will have the same success. Kings can still rebuild as well as the Rockets and Spurs. HE CANT GET MORE VALUE IN RETURN BECAUSE HIS NEXT THREE PICKS ARE WITH THREE DIFFERENT TEAMS! what part of that do you not understand, he could make the deal without a true rebuild window, and unless the other team got back one of his picks, giving him only two, while the other team has to give up something to the team holding his pick in 21, and then if he wants the third pick back, theoretically say it was me, I would have to give up 3-5 picks probably at least to get the pick from J, then, I woulda had to give up more on top of that to get the pick back from you....I would then have to give Chip back his next three picks, and something on top of that...No way in hell can I afford that, nor could J, nor could you.Chip cannot trade Perry without having some of his picks back. He WILL be lotto this year, then the next, and the one following, hell with him having nothing, he could easily have two top 3 picks, his team will be shitty as hell next season. He can try to dump Harden off on somebody, then, come offseason, use his max to try to sign players with trade value, use said players to get more picks...if He fails, his backup plan is he has his picks anyway still no biggie...in your plan if he fails in FA...he doesnt have a nice backup plan since it will be very hard to get his picks back. |
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Post by tmaczdaddy on Oct 13, 2010 23:18:27 GMT -5
I agree with Marty here.
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