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Post by arroyo03 on May 17, 2009 18:57:30 GMT -5
I'm still waiting on what you believe to be Grant's real assist-to-turnover ratio since mine is apparently false. I said somewhere that yours were false? |
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Post by ashes on May 17, 2009 19:00:46 GMT -5
Ok, but they aren't both approximately 2/1, sorry. Grant's would be approx. 2/1 whereas AJ's would be approx. 3/1.
I don't understand the point you were trying to make here. Grant is not very good. He turns the ball over way too much and does nothing impressive. He excels at nothing but quickness obviously.
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Post by donatello2424 on May 17, 2009 19:03:00 GMT -5
I want to know which starting pg's assist to turnover ratio is grant's better than besides the two I mentioned in the article. Arroyo said they were out there (and he has already established that Price and Douglas are two of them).
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Post by arroyo03 on May 17, 2009 19:03:08 GMT -5
Ok, but they aren't both approximately 2/1, sorry. Grant's would be approx. 2/1 whereas AJ's would be approx. 3/1. I don't understand the point you were trying to make here. Grant is not very good. He turns the ball over way too much and does nothing impressive. He excels at nothing but quickness obviously. I never said Grant was good but the difference between the two players isn't worth a first round pick, that's the point I've been trying to make and have apparently failed since all Bullets can think about is how I've somehow said his numbers were false. |
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Post by donatello2424 on May 17, 2009 19:04:55 GMT -5
Ok, but they aren't both approximately 2/1, sorry. Grant's would be approx. 2/1 whereas AJ's would be approx. 3/1. I don't understand the point you were trying to make here. Grant is not very good. He turns the ball over way too much and does nothing impressive. He excels at nothing but quickness obviously. I never said Grant was good but the difference between the two players isn't worth a first round pick, that's the point I've been trying to make and have apparently failed since all Bullets can think about is how I've somehow said his numbers were false. So you go from saying that Grant's were better, to saying that they were the same, to now acknowledging that aJ's are better? Did you even think that I wasn't saying that AJ's pg skills are so superior that they are worth a first? That instead I was mainly thinking that AJ gives you cap relief for this offseason since you would be scary close to the hardcap and unable to use your mle, not to mention get a better pg? |
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Post by arroyo03 on May 17, 2009 19:06:17 GMT -5
I never said Grant was good but the difference between the two players isn't worth a first round pick, that's the point I've been trying to make and have apparently failed since all Bullets can think about is how I've somehow said his numbers were false. So you go from saying that Grant's were better, to saying that they were the same, to now acknowledging that aJ's are better? Did you even think that I wasn't saying that AJ's pg skills are so superior that they are worth a first? That instead I was mainly thinking that AJ gives you cap relief for this offseason since you would be scary close to the hardcap and unable to use your mle, not to mention get a better pg?  |
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Post by ashes on May 17, 2009 19:11:01 GMT -5
Ok, but they aren't both approximately 2/1, sorry. Grant's would be approx. 2/1 whereas AJ's would be approx. 3/1. I don't understand the point you were trying to make here. Grant is not very good. He turns the ball over way too much and does nothing impressive. He excels at nothing but quickness obviously. I never said Grant was good but the difference between the two players isn't worth a first round pick, that's the point I've been trying to make and have apparently failed since all Bullets can think about is how I've somehow said his numbers were false. Ok, that might have been your secondary point after you got into it with donatello, but this is exactly how you started: I know exactly why this kid made the article, he was angry that I didn't want to trade him Gary Grant and a first for Avery Johnson. Besides for the flawed rankings, this article would have been good if you didn't miss some of the better guards like Payton. So the rankings were flawed according to you, to which I replied that they were not. Then you pointed out: Looks like the whole article was AST/TO ratio. Right but he ranked the worst in reverse order as Grant has a better assist to turnover ratio than Price and Douglas as well as other point guards he didn't mention. At that point I pointed out that Grant did, in fact, NOT have a better AST/TO ratio than them, nor the other PGs that he supposedly didn't mention. He listed the two starting players that had a worse AST/TO ration than Grant, one is Majerle, a SG playing out of position, and the other is Iuzzolino, a guy that's a decent back-up at best. You insulted his article and attempted to discredit it because you felt it was made because you wouldn't trade with donatello. I simply defended the premise and integrity of his article. |
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Post by arroyo03 on May 17, 2009 19:15:50 GMT -5
I then read he mentioned it was an descending order and rescinded that remark. Should have spaced out the article better instead of putting the images on top of the sentences. Regardless the article mentions players that are worse than Grant when he said in the PM, "Mind explaining who exactly Grant has a better assists to turnover ratio" when I earlier mentioned it was a bit of irony he made this article since it answered his own condescending question.
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Post by arroyo03 on May 17, 2009 19:18:27 GMT -5
Also funny how he wanted me to explain who exactly Grant has a better assist to turnover ratio. As if I need to add an explanation.
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Post by ashes on May 17, 2009 19:23:47 GMT -5
Lol, Grant is garbage.
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Post by Kruwaukee on May 17, 2009 19:38:49 GMT -5
Arroyo is getting beat up today. Just call it a night you just keep digging yourself deeper
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Post by arroyo03 on May 17, 2009 19:40:27 GMT -5
Arroyo is getting beat up today. Just call it a night you just keep digging yourself deeper LOL, considering I had to somehow explain how other PG's are better and considering your rant was pretty much in vein and you had little to no response to my posts, I'd say you were the one getting beat up!  |
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Post by donatello2424 on May 17, 2009 19:41:53 GMT -5
I really have no idea what arroyo is arguing now. He has changed his argument about 20 times. First it was my rankings are flawed, then it was I didn't use assist-to-turnover ratio to rank the bottom, then it was I did use that ratio but they are still flawed, then it was that he never said that grant had a better assist-to-turnover ratio that aj, then it was they had the the same one, then it was that aj's was better, THEN it was that it is my fault that he read the article wrong because i didn't bold, highlight, put flashers on the part that said they were in descending order.  |
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Post by donatello2424 on May 17, 2009 19:43:00 GMT -5
Arroyo is getting beat up today. Just call it a night you just keep digging yourself deeper LOL, considering I had to somehow explain how other PG's are better and considering your rant was pretty much in vein and you had little to no response to my posts, I'd say you were the one getting beat up! Where did you explain this? I have yet to see a logical reasoning of how grant is better than any starting pg in the league besides the two who are lover than him on the rankings. |
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Post by arroyo03 on May 17, 2009 19:44:22 GMT -5
I really have no idea what arroyo is arguing now. He has changed his argument about 20 times. First it was my rankings are flawed, then it was I didn't use assist-to-turnover ratio to rank the bottom, then it was I did use that ratio but they are still flawed, then it was that he never said that grant had a better assist-to-turnover ratio that aj, then it was they had the the same one, then it was that aj's was better, THEN it was that it is my fault that he read the article wrong because i didn't bold, highlight, put flashers on the part that said they were in descending order. Hmmmm, I said somewhere they were the same? I said they were approximately the same. What else are you going to get wrong today? |
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