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Post by aar on Feb 9, 2010 14:03:18 GMT -5
That's pretty brutal...
I had a deal on the table that included that owed 1st that I'm waiting to hear back on and I traded an actual 1st to get the owed 1st.
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Post by aar on Feb 9, 2010 14:04:38 GMT -5
It should be at least +3
A 1st rounder is worth a +3 for sure.
If I had the 27th overall pick, I wouldn't trade it for a +3 increase
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Post by martinez on Feb 9, 2010 15:20:14 GMT -5
I'd rather have a +3 than a 1st round pick.. I'll give 1st round picks to anyone who wants their owed pick to count as long as I get a +3.
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Post by mtg on Feb 9, 2010 15:49:55 GMT -5
+1 or +2. Seriously people
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Post by cliff "woo" harris on Feb 9, 2010 16:27:13 GMT -5
You guys are idiots. I'd much rather have a late first round pick than a +3. Look at this draft for example:
22. Los Angeles Clippers - Adam Morrison SF 6'8'' 205 22 C+ B+ C C C B B- A- C- C C B
23. Denver Nuggets - Craig Smith PF 6'7'' 259 22 C+ C- D B- B- B B- C- D+ B B B
24. Cleveland Cavaliers - Josh Boone PF 6'10'' 237 21 B- C- C- C+ C+ A B- C- C- C+ C+ A
25. Chicago Bulls - Pops Mensah-Bonsu C 6'9'' 235 22 C C- D B- C+ B Pops Mensah-Bonsu C 22 6'9'' 235 C+ C- D B- C+ B 26. Philadelphia 76ers - Saer Sene C 7'0'' 237 20 C D D- B- C B C D D- B+ C+ A
27. Atlanta Hawks - David Noel SF 6'6'' 230 22 B+ C C B C C A- C C B C C
28. Orlando Magic - Kyle Lowry PG 6'0'' 185 20 B- C C+ B- D+ B C+ C B- B- D+ B
29. Golden State Warriors - Yotam Halperin PG 6'4'' 180 22 C B+ C+ C+ C- B C B+ B- C C- C
Other than Halperin and Pops, I'd prefer all these players over a +3 upgrade. And I'd prefer probably about half of them (Noel, Sene, Smith, and Morrison) over a +5 upgrade.
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Post by cliff "woo" harris on Feb 9, 2010 16:28:24 GMT -5
+1 or +2. Seriously people Honestly if you want a +1 or +2 for an owed first, then you should give me Saer Sene for a +1 upgrade. Afterall Sene was selected this season at pick #26, which about where an owed first would be.
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Post by Clifford "Poop" Harris on Feb 9, 2010 16:29:42 GMT -5
if you get a +5, i'll trade you a late first for it then...
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Post by cliff "woo" harris on Feb 9, 2010 16:30:33 GMT -5
I think a +4 would be an appropriate compensation for an owed first. And Styro, you can have my +4 if you have a first in the 20-26 range, sure.
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Post by cliff "woo" harris on Feb 9, 2010 16:31:27 GMT -5
if you get a +5, i'll trade you a late first for it then... If you had selected Sene or Noel instead of Boone, I definitely would have.
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Post by Clifford "Poop" Harris on Feb 9, 2010 16:31:54 GMT -5
DAL owe a 1st to HOU by 20
says nothing about 20-26...
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Post by Clifford "Poop" Harris on Feb 9, 2010 16:33:10 GMT -5
if you get a +5, i'll trade you a late first for it then... If you had selected Sene or Noel instead of Boone, I definitely would have. when you are owed a first, you don't get to pick who you get. You're not even owed one this year so i don't know how those players are relevant. You are owed one by '08..Sene is not even available to you, period...
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Post by princemaharajah on Feb 9, 2010 16:33:18 GMT -5
It should be -1 to the team that owes another team a first and +1 to the team gets an owed first.
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Post by cliff "woo" harris on Feb 9, 2010 16:34:28 GMT -5
DAL owe a 1st to HOU by 20 says nothing about 20-26... Well most owed picks I've received are usually in the 23-29 range. I don't think I've received a 28 or 29th pick as an owed first so far in this league. And fine, depending on the draft, I'd likely take any first for a +4 upgrade. And it also depends if I'm rebuilding or competing. Like this year, I'd take the pick over the upgrade. However if you asked me 3 years ago, I'd take the +4 upgrade in a heartbeat.
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Post by Clifford "Poop" Harris on Feb 9, 2010 16:34:28 GMT -5
and you're looking at sene's ratings after tc, so that's unfair also...You don't make draft picks after tc...
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Post by cliff "woo" harris on Feb 9, 2010 16:35:39 GMT -5
and you're looking at sene's ratings after tc, so that's unfair also...You don't make draft picks after tc... How is that unfair? He got selected in an area where a lot of owed picks would be. If 4 out of 8 players that are the last picks have good TCs, whom I'd take over a +4 upgrade. I have about a 50% chance of getting a player I want. That seems like pretty good odds...
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